gwhit56.gw
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I was looking at a tic tok video and saw that a lot of states are banning the operation of classic cars. Is this something that might go national wide and what can we do as a community?
Lost of classic car industry
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firstofeight
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Quit believing all one reads on Tik-Tok??
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gwhit56.gw
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No, I think you look at Tik Tok and actually It was a feed I saw on a California website. To each his own!
firstofeight
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May one ask what website?
I like to verify.
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I like to verify.
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California is not "a lot of states". California is proposing prohibiting the sale of new internal combustion cars by 2035 AS WELL AS establishing "Zero Emission Zones". so i'm assuming that the LA / SF Bay / San Diego / Sacramento metro areas would become no-go zones for all non-electric vehicles. but there's quite a lot of California that is very rural, so even a majority of the state wouldn't fall under the current proposals.
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now, this doesn't mean that people shouldn't be concerned. various places in Europe have already tried completely banning classic cars and it's obvious the psycho retards in California are intending to get to that final solution eventually. no matter how destructive to the environment electrical vehicles / lithium battery banks are.
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however, as seen with the Palisades Fire Dept lunatics, the hoi polloi are beginning to get quite fed up with the idiocy these policies generate. so it's an open question as to how far even Cali will get with this. especially since they have NO means of generating and / or transmitting the electrical power necessary to charge millions of vehicles on a nightly basis. at a minimum, they'd have to build several new nuke plants to supply the power needs for something like that and if there's ONE thing the green weenies are more insane about than IC powerplants, it's nuke plants.
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but there are a LOT of states that don't even require an emissions inspection on the vehicle. so the real answer is that you probably should be moving someplace else.
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now, this doesn't mean that people shouldn't be concerned. various places in Europe have already tried completely banning classic cars and it's obvious the psycho retards in California are intending to get to that final solution eventually. no matter how destructive to the environment electrical vehicles / lithium battery banks are.
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however, as seen with the Palisades Fire Dept lunatics, the hoi polloi are beginning to get quite fed up with the idiocy these policies generate. so it's an open question as to how far even Cali will get with this. especially since they have NO means of generating and / or transmitting the electrical power necessary to charge millions of vehicles on a nightly basis. at a minimum, they'd have to build several new nuke plants to supply the power needs for something like that and if there's ONE thing the green weenies are more insane about than IC powerplants, it's nuke plants.
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but there are a LOT of states that don't even require an emissions inspection on the vehicle. so the real answer is that you probably should be moving someplace else.
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California Proposes Ban on Classic Gas Cars
California Proposes Ban on Classic Gas CarsIn a bold move to combat climate change, California is considering a ban on classic gas-powered cars. Governor Gavin Newsom is spearheading this proposal, aiming to reduce emissions and meet the state's ambitious net-zero carbon emissions goal by 20452...
www.maverickmancarbon.com
gwhit56.gw
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You are correct California is not a lot of states. I meant to say some think a lot of states will follow California's lead. So I did mispeak. Please forgive me for my mis quote.. I'm just concern and wanted to know ppl thoughts.
EPA just dropped clean truck mandate that was going to take affect. Banning of combustion vehicles was for sale of new manufactured cars. It was Biden pushing Electric Vehicle. Legacy Auto Manufacturers were telling Biden his mandates were not possible. We had some EV manufacturers either go bankrupt, one from California, or in dire need of loans to survive. Legacy manufacturers took big losses trying to meet Biden's mandate. Toyota was smarter winner, just stayed on course with Hybrids. Currently the EV hype bubble is in the post burst stage. With Tarriffs in effect a new concern has taken center stage for all American car manufacturers that have moved out operations to China from US.
the EPA move is something classic car people should appreciate. the problem being, that the next president could re-instate this policy at the stroke of the pen in the same way that Trump eliminated it.
gwhit56.gw
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That's good to know, thanks for the response.
suncoupe72
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i would not be on tic tok. the Chinese communists are watching you. drive your classic car till they pry from your dead cold hands
gwhit56.gw
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That's my intentions. It will be delivered after being in the bodyshop for over a year. I was just concerned, wanted to know if I would be able to enjoy it for years to come. Thanks for the advice.
The classic car industry has a very big lobby and many of the legislators are old guys with classics. California is a case unto itself. It is not representative of the other states. Many states are very lenient towards classics. Here in PA there are several ways to put a classic on the road and they are exempt from laws made after their manufacture date. So a 63 Riviera, for instance, does not need seat belts, a third brake light, catalytic converters etc.
gwhit56.gw
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Cool, thanks for the insight.
Well, California did what California does. Killed Grove's Classic Car bill ("Leno's Law") by failing to push it forward.
Classic cars will still need a smog test
Bill was killed without comment.
I'd read (don't know if it's true) that way less than 1% of California's cars are older than 1981, and that they are driven way, WAY less than 1% of the miles. So even if they pollute 10x as much, the overall effect is negligible - swamped by such things as lawn and farm equipment. But, I guess, and as they say..."every little bit helps". Right?
There's a tidbit in that article that makes me suspicious of the true motivation:
State regulators also warned the measure could cost the Bureau of Automotive Repair, which oversees the state’s smog testing program, and the Department of Motor Vehicles hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. Officials cited concerns it would reduce revenue from smog check and vehicle license fees.
It also could have potentially cost the California Air Resources Board $1.2 million to hire new staff to collect updated data for air quality models and to revise California’s federally required pollution-reduction plans, according to the appropriations committee’s analysis.
Big surprise: The government wants money, and the government employees tasked with enforcing air quality rules also objected. Bureaucrats gotta bureaucrat.
Don't know if that's the main motivation, maybe most people in California DO think that charging a (say) Fresno classic car's owner hundreds of dollars every two years to run their 1969 Volkswagen Beetle on a dynamometer with a probe shoved up its tailpipe will greatly increase the quality of life for all Californians. I'm sure it makes a difference. Don't know if you could MEASURE that difference, but I'm sure there is one.
Classic cars will still need a smog test
Bill was killed without comment.
I'd read (don't know if it's true) that way less than 1% of California's cars are older than 1981, and that they are driven way, WAY less than 1% of the miles. So even if they pollute 10x as much, the overall effect is negligible - swamped by such things as lawn and farm equipment. But, I guess, and as they say..."every little bit helps". Right?
There's a tidbit in that article that makes me suspicious of the true motivation:
State regulators also warned the measure could cost the Bureau of Automotive Repair, which oversees the state’s smog testing program, and the Department of Motor Vehicles hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. Officials cited concerns it would reduce revenue from smog check and vehicle license fees.
It also could have potentially cost the California Air Resources Board $1.2 million to hire new staff to collect updated data for air quality models and to revise California’s federally required pollution-reduction plans, according to the appropriations committee’s analysis.
Big surprise: The government wants money, and the government employees tasked with enforcing air quality rules also objected. Bureaucrats gotta bureaucrat.
Don't know if that's the main motivation, maybe most people in California DO think that charging a (say) Fresno classic car's owner hundreds of dollars every two years to run their 1969 Volkswagen Beetle on a dynamometer with a probe shoved up its tailpipe will greatly increase the quality of life for all Californians. I'm sure it makes a difference. Don't know if you could MEASURE that difference, but I'm sure there is one.
suncoupe72
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until people that live in California get off their a** and stop electing people like their worthless governor and Maxine Walters nothing is going to change and the at some point they will make driving these classics a crime. you know it's bad when even jay lenos support could not help this bill. personally, i am tired of the way things are in this world and in this country and it's my felling that things are going to get worse no matter who runs things. forget all the conveniences life was better 75yrs ago with a lot less. i am glad i have more behind me than in front of me. best to all
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