1958 364 cu inch nailhead with 5 blade fan

LouCiro

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Repairing a 1958 limited. Water pump leaking badly. Can only find 1396560 pumps. All say not for 5 blade fans. Car has 5 blade fan but no AC all components were removed. It was an after market floor unit. Other pump model which we cannot find is a 1396561 this is for 5 blades. Would anyone know the difference?
Repairing Rochester 4GC carb. Has badly pitted accelerator pump cavity. Going to hone out pits
Or mill out pits. Any idea how far we can cut. Diameter is 0.793”.
Thanks
Lou
 
An accelerator pump will not cause surging at 50MPH. Debris inside of carb??? Timing too far advanced???
Has 5 blade fan because A/C was added.
Call Russ at Centerville auto parts in Ca.
Goggle Russ Martin at Centerville I'm sure he has what you need.

Tom T.
 
Thanks Tom.
I agree with you and was puzzled with the surging. Replaced fuel pump, fuel filter. Disassembled carb. The accelerator pump rubber was stuck to the wall and pitted under the rubber. Will attempt repair by honing bore and rebuild carb. Then will go at ignition. Any thoughts on water pump compatibility?
Thanks
Lou
 
Tom, Don’t you have a contact for a guy that rebuilds Nailhead water pumps:. the Dutchman or something like that? Some of those “California”prices can be outrageous!


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Lou,
The 1396560 and 1396561 pump numbers look to be the latest revisions for 1957-58 Buicks. These two numbers were available at the dealer as late as ‘72 and provided universal coverage regardless of fan size or AC usage. Earlier pump numbers were superseded by these two. See attached page from the ‘72 Buick Master Parts Book

The 1396560 is for:
1957 All
1958 Without AC
1958 With in-dash AC (first type pump)

The 1396561 is for:
1958 With in-dash AC (second type pump)

The changeover occurred at Engine Mfg. No. 456352 for Limiteds. I was not able to find out what the differences are between these two pumps. There were a bunch of other mid-year updates for cooling system components. Data on when the changeovers occurred was either not available or did not match the 456352 breakpoint.

Cars with AC in these two years used 5-blade fans except for some late ‘58s which used a 4-blade fan that continued on into ‘59. So the factory application data shows the 1396560 pump was used on many cars with 5-blade fans. This conflicts with the application data from modern-day pump suppliers. They all get their application data from the same place, as once an error creeps in, they all show it.

Buick dealers offered an under-dash AC unit called the Kool-Pak in 1958. The 5-blade fan on your car could have been installed when a Kool-Pak was added. Or it could have been ordered as part of a heavy-duty cooling option to accommodate future AC installation. If the original GM Frigidaire Kool-Pak compressor is still in place, it will have a single drive belt. Compressors for in-dash systems used two belts.

After all that, rebuilding the original pump may be the easiest route.
 

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I expect the difference may be 3 vs. 5 blade impeller. I have both. The ones I have are a 3 blade aluminum impeller and a 5 blade ductile impeller.
I have tried to pull the aluminum impeller from a pump as described in earlier shop manuals and failed. The aluminum impeller is cast over a steel bushing and tends to disintegrate and because of the design it is not possible to use heat effectively. The cast iron impeller would probably pull of and allow access to the seal. The bearing and shaft are one part by my limited experience.
 
Lou,
The 1396560 and 1396561 pump numbers look to be the latest revisions for 1957-58 Buicks. These two numbers were available at the dealer as late as ‘72 and provided universal coverage regardless of fan size or AC usage. Earlier pump numbers were superseded by these two. See attached page from the ‘72 Buick Master Parts Book

The 1396560 is for:
1957 All
1958 Without AC
1958 With in-dash AC (first type pump)

The 1396561 is for:
1958 With in-dash AC (second type pump)

The changeover occurred at Engine Mfg. No. 456352 for Limiteds. I was not able to find out what the differences are between these two pumps. There were a bunch of other mid-year updates for cooling system components. Data on when the changeovers occurred was either not available or did not match the 456352 breakpoint.

Cars with AC in these two years used 5-blade fans except for some late ‘58s which used a 4-blade fan that continued on into ‘59. So the factory application data shows the 1396560 pump was used on many cars with 5-blade fans. This conflicts with the application data from modern-day pump suppliers. They all get their application data from the same place, as once an error creeps in, they all show it.

Buick dealers offered an under-dash AC unit called the Kool-Pak in 1958. The 5-blade fan on your car could have been installed when a Kool-Pak was added. Or it could have been ordered as part of a heavy-duty cooling option to accommodate future AC installation. If the original GM Frigidaire Kool-Pak compressor is still in place, it will have a single drive belt. Compressors for in-dash systems used two belts.

After all that, rebuilding the original pump may be the easiest route.
Thanks Todd,
I had the aftermarket ac pulled last
Year . In We were confused by the parts manuals which specified two pumps one 5 blade one 4 blade. I received a pump 6560 yesterday and will pull the car apart next week. I suspect it has the same unit. Thanks for the
help. Restoring these is always an adventure. The 6560 has three pump blades.
 
I expect the difference may be 3 vs. 5 blade impeller. I have both. The ones I have are a 3 blade aluminum impeller and a 5 blade ductile impeller.
I have tried to pull the aluminum impeller from a pump as described in earlier shop manuals and failed. The aluminum impeller is cast over a steel bushing and tends to disintegrate and because of the design it is not possible to use heat effectively. The cast iron impeller would probably pull of and allow access to the seal. The bearing and shaft are one part by my limited experience.
Bob
Thanks
You are correct. We received the three blade impeller ( photo attached) .
Now that the ac is out it should be fine.
Also found an NOS carb at carbUS. Waiting for it to come. Will address ignition system after these are installed.
Lou
 

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